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Topic. On Psychopathy


Session Three : Psychopathic Sadism and the Radicalised


“If you knock us down, or try, undaunted, we get up and continue on. The underlying structure that constitutes the reason why you want to hurt is what we have to examine.”


“Very radical organisations and groups are carrying out deliberate and systematic indoctrination of young people, the radicals are using all available means, – their attempts seize upon all modern social processes and phenomena. This negative trend is shown by the fact that the majority of people moving along the path of radicalism and armed violence are young people aged 16 to 30 years.“


“It is without question that we share our time and that gone before with human tyrants.”






(C-I) OR (C-III) (C-V)



(C-V) You know, I was thinking; how it’s possible to be embroiled in an altercation of some kind and during that, and after, with respect to the other, grasp the essential human component living behind the mask, and subsequently relate to that human component. I think in the context of what and who we are discussing, the notion of that capacity to connect is naively felt.


I’m being vague and the same perception in varying degrees can be attributed to many different people, to contexts, I mean our being able to grasp the human component because there are facets we share, but we are talking about who at the extreme end of the continuum do not present anything of that sharing.

True, there are psychopaths, who live among us and they are not at the extreme difference that on the face of it presents, we share the same society, so attribute familiar societal norms. I would place these individuals at the lowest end.

There are those who live among us and do not share the same societal values at all. There are those who do not live among us and likewise, do not share our values, our essential human elemental.

(C-I) I agree, and looking at it from how we feel regarding the whole, not only the radicalized who you’ve rightly put at the extreme, is useful. I think we tolerate the twisted and the corrupt because they happen to live close; the manipulative liars, the singing communicators, the charismatic creeps, and all. The point being, they serve their master, themselves, irrespective of their diatribe. Their strategies are a con. I brought this for us to read because I think it typifies what we’ve said regarding the lust for domination and the incapacity for conscience.

I can use the projector, if it still works.

(C-III) It doesn’t.

(C-I) I’ll read it then. I’ve some other things to show too. Here goes;    *article attached below

In Contradistinction : The Psychopathic and the Non Psychopathic

Lviv Pogrom

A Monstrous Picture : Kiev, September 1941. Babi Yar.

Ravensbrück Concentration Camp for Women

The Islamic State terrorists behead a young boy

(C-III) The mixing of falsehood with truth of the everyday is a powerful ploy, because it acts to soften what are bullying tactics.

(C-V) It’s a tactic to get others to do the dirty work. The point being, I think what you just read also explains the issue; what precisely is the envisaged outcome, in respect to the inherent ruination of lives, the likely impact upon a whole society or societies? I mean that’s not a consideration.

(C-III) I suggest we move on and you Olga, teased this out just now; the psychopathic types we cannot understand because they present, both in thought and action, what is beyond the domain of human decency. I’m referring to the terrorist, but also to the fact that examples in history typify the same trait. But to focus on the moment, this is important, because there are psychopaths with extreme sadistic traits among us. Such extreme cruelty perpetrated against all that we stand for, “our essential human elemental” as you described it, now requires our attention.

(C-I) They are among us and afar and just let me say this and I know I keep going on about it, but there are films doing the rounds that legitimize sado-masochism, and I mention it again because there’s an issue with our viewing terrorists by virtue of similar, if not the same traits, granted one is a film the other reality, but the message is the same. To legitimize it if it is a gross distortion of decency has to be addressed because a person’s mind, its susceptibility, or made susceptibility, beckons only the unforeseen.

(C-V) The gratification element, you mean? Once into the experience as a viewer, who knows what is triggered and the person/s concerned might not articulate this consciously for what it really is. Actually, did you bring the article on how the Islamic State are using the cult of cruelty to manage the development of sado-masochism in very young children?

(C-I) Can I just pick up on something; you pointed to the person as ‘viewer’ but the ‘viewer’ is not separate from the sensible experience, a viewer is a participant. I say this because the same impulses are being commandeered and the deeply felt responses as a result are the same as if the encumbrance of the film were removed and the real vista present. On the use of children by the Islamic State, they begin by introducing atrocity via film and quickly move into the reality where the person, the viewer becomes a perpetrator. Add to this the messages that provoke hatred and condescension, you end up with some very distorted individuals and these present an enormous danger to normal society.

(C-III) We can discuss the methods employed by the unscrupulous who know well what they are doing, to create psycho-killers. In addition, examine how we can be cajoled into assuming them, on their face value, to be not remarkably different, because a perceived difference, be it the case, negates their potential to inflict maximum damage – difference draws our attention to them, so they blend in.

First and in true fashion, we should define what we are referring to. We are also moving too superficially.

(C-I) Are we?

(C-III) Yes, and I think a definition begs a clarity we might omit otherwise.

(C-I) If you insist.

(C-III) A definition which is useful refers to narcissism that is ‘malignant’ and equally, you could describe as ‘vindictive’ and or ‘malevolent’. –  a psychological pattern, a very ‘severe mental sickness’ ‘the quintessence of evil’ (according to Fromm, 1964), in which there is an amalgam of the extremes of narcissism, psychopathy, aggression, and cruelty/atrocity. Often imposing, and always prepared to heighten hostility levels, the malignant narcissist dehumanizes the people with whom they associate or indeed are directed toward.

Read Session I and II for discussion of psychopathy and narcissism

It’s a hypothetical, diagnostic category, but arguably as are all;. I mean, narcissistic personality disorder is found in the (DSM), while malignant/malevolent narcissism is not described per se. As a hypothetical pattern, malignant narcissism appears to include aspects of narcissistic personality disorder as well as the paranoid personality.

(C-I) It’s easy for anyone with a brain cell to observe the condition in action as being indicative of being the most severe of all psycho-pathologies, and the stage for the most viciously and inhumanly destructive. Sickos.

ISIS – Islamic State pictura. (Attention – very graphic and disturbing imagery : You MUST be 18+ to view this page)

Because the social situation allows action without consequence, these particular people regress, distort and deny the reality they see and feel, built in is the grandiosity bound with aggression, idealizing of the destructive aspects of the self.

(C-III) The psychopath is fundamentally narcissistic as we’ve already said.

(C-I) Characterized by the absence of what we, in civilized society understand and value as morality.

(C-III) It’s the sadistic element that is very disturbing and this element is used by those in question as propaganda. As a consequence, many can see and be affected by the narcissism, the paranoia, the grandiosity. The audience affect, the responses, are varied in kind and intensity (loathing, disgust), but fear is most marked and the most intended.

(C-I) The provocation of terror amid the absence of conscience and or guilt. In this, the sense of self-importance, the grasping for power.

(C-III) You haven’t mentioned the joy inherent, demonstrated via such acts of sadistic cruelty. I’m referring to the perpetration of barbaric acts and laughing at the same time. The inner structure of the syndrome is by virtue of these acts, most marked. Unfortunately the propaganda is very professionally managed.

(C-I) I see three fronts, and as I’ve said before; There is the sicko scum doing it, the stupid who get on off on watching it and want to go join in, and last but not least those who support and fund them from a distance for their own ends.

The latter is a Pandora’s box, filled with creeps. We know well who they are and all about the reason why.

All in all it’s a frightening reality.

Pictura : Regarding those returning from jihad. Would you want to live near this person?

(C-III) Let’s complicate matters.

(C-I) Must we? This is a subject that has the effect of bringing home much about the world as subtly as a hammer blow to the head. Actually I know what you’re going to say because I had a peek at your notes.

There is a differentiation that can be made between vindictive/malevolent (malignant) psychopaths and the same category of narcissists. The former being incapable of internalizing the values of the aggressor while the latter, the vindictive/malevolent narcissist can actually admire others – idealized figures, thus fostering an element of loyalty to their allies or comrades. The latter bring to mind how scum such as the Islamic State and by virtue of their actions, are typical in the extreme.

(C-III) To separate the two is not so easy. Individuals with narcissistic personality disorder, vindictive narcissism, and psychopathy all display very similar traits, as outlined in the Psychopathy Checklist, which you introduced earlier.

(C-I) Actually there’s a scoring system for that I didn’t mention, it’s relevant I guess. The twenty items are scored on a three-point scale, with a rating of zero if it does not apply, one if there is a partial match, and two if there is a reasonably good match and so on, with a maximum score of forty, the cut-off for the label of psychopathy is thirty in the good old USA and twenty-five here in the United Kingdom. High scores are positively associated with measures of impulsivity and aggression, Machiavellianism, persistent criminal behavior, and negatively associated with measures of empathy and affiliation. So there you have my theoretical regard vis a vis the study of sadistic psychopathic narcissists and mass-murder, sexual and serial-butchery of others, be it somewhat superficial because this topic is the extreme sickness afflicting a great many, looming.

(C-III) Did you ask about sadism in relation to mass murder? Here are a few simple definitions for sadism.

(C-I) Thanks, just what I always wanted. How did you guess?

(C-III) Sadism :

The deriving of sexual gratification or the tendency to derive sexual gratification from inflicting pain or emotional abuse on others.

The deriving of pleasure, or the tendency to derive pleasure, from cruelty. Extreme cruelty.

The gaining of pleasure or sexual gratification from the infliction of pain and mental suffering on another person. Derived from French, named after the Marquis de Sade.

Sexual gratification gained by causing pain or degradation to others.

Pleasure in being cruel.

Extreme cruelty.

A sexual gratification gained through causing physical pain or humiliation.

Any enjoyment in being cruel.

A form of perversion, often sexual, involving pleasure through inflicting pain on another. Sado-masochism implies a tendency toward both sadism and masochism.

(C-I) Our approaching the whole ‘thing’ and ‘thing’ it is, does not imply any means of somehow putting the ‘thing’ right. If this was at all possible we would have done so. We can observe the behaviors, not in any degree of toleration, but in the defining of safeguards and utilizing ways of physically negating of their sick contribution to posterity being played out. either by them, or those who see fit to use them for their own interests.

(C-III) We should discuss the expectation of these types returning from jihad.

(C-I) What compulsion those ***** felt to leave our shores for jihad in the first place will NOT have changed, and the interim between them leaving and returning, their engaging in off the scale cruelty and enjoyment had in the experience, renders these ***** completely out of the question with regard to ever fitting into a normal society. They didn’t fit in to begin with. I’m referring to those radicalized who feel compelled and do not leave for jihad – they pose the same extent of looming menace to our society. We have a serious problem on our hands.


Dalori, Nigeria. A survivor hidden in a tree recounts how he watched Boko Haram extremists (allied with the Islamic State**) firebomb huts and how he heard the screams of children burning to death. 86 died in the latest attack by Nigeria’s homegrown Islamic extremists.

Scores of charred corpses and bodies with bullet wounds littered the streets from the attack on Dalori village and two nearby camps housing 25,000 refugees, according to survivors and soldiers at the scene just 3 miles from Maiduguri, the birthplace of Boko Haram – the biggest city in Nigeria’s northeast.

The shooting, burning and explosions from three suicide bombers continued for nearly four hours in the unprotected area, survivor – weeping on a telephone call.


Boko Haram child killing


**Boko Haram, referred to by themselves as Wilāyat Gharb Ifrīqīyyah (Islamic State West Africa Province), and Jamā’at Ahl as-Sunnah lid-Da’wah wa’l-Jihād, Group of the People of Sunnah for Preaching and Jihad

Islamic State (also called Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, Islamic State of Iraq and Sham)

Dzhebhat en-Nusra (Victory Front) (other names: Dzhabha
Do-Ahl al-Sham (Front Support Greater Syria), Al-Nusra


(C-III) Religious Scum of the Middle Ages

Laws of the Middle Ages cannot be explained. At that time, one’s being accused of being a witch could arise within a matter of minutes. Punishment for this was terrible. No beatings or hunger strikes. And women did not get any explanation, they were simply punished for being different from others. And the religious scum did it very subtly, not only physically, but also morally. Mockeries of women have always been associated with their physiology. Women were undressed almost naked and tied to a special machine. Between the legs inserted a conical device. Another one was inserted into the mouth. Through these cones, the executioners could run whatever they wanted: the standard was a torture of water, because of which the stomach of the unhappy was literally torn to pieces.

Lovers of his profession dripped sulfuric acid drop by drop – adding to the body, she at the time was severely burned by it. But the most terrible reception of the Inquisition was reserved for especially dangerous criminals. Small insects were thrust into the cones, which brought incredible torments to the girls. The sexual organs of the victim were filled with ants, spiders, beetles and other bastards, a similar thing happened in the mouth. It was this torture that was just enough to intimidate the experimental to get all the necessary testimony. If they, of course, wanted to hear, and not just experiment. Scum.


(C-I) I would like to introduce the context whereby extreme cruelty, I refer to where the societal norms and parameters within these (civilized) norms are removed, does run rampage. Very specifically with regard to torture (enhanced interrogation). This is relevant, because one can argue that the fact of its existence at all places it (torture) into the domain of sado-masochism. We are not naive people. I don’t want to dwell too much because we have covered this topic already, but if I volunteer for the ** SEAR program, for example, it is to sensibly prepare me for what to expect and develop certain strategies to deal with it. But the reality is not that, the reality is that I would be starved, stripped, tied and certainly raped, burnt, my fingers broken – maybe even cut off, my eyes ripped from their sockets and sexually I would be subject to all the expected that manifests when the ones who fantasize about women are left with the freedom to explore and indulge that fantasy. Note, that I would go down fighting – it is important to say that. The point is; that the intense sexual gratification had while denigrating at the extreme a female captive, is not new. It just arrives via different attire, the attire being the vehicle for the instinct to run amok, and run amok, it certainly does.

** I have been tortured, but I knew that the intention was not to hurt me, it was not felt in the interrogator. In reality, I would be looking into the eyes of maniacal hatred coupled with ongoing enjoyment reaching apogee every time I was made to gasp and / or urinate.


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